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		<title>Comment on Why Do Chisel Restoration? by John Considine</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Considine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 12:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful attitude. Well done. JC</description>
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		<title>Comment on Renaissance Woodworker Hand Tool School by Mack McKinney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mack McKinney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James

So, don&#039;t sign up.

You are so obviously vitriolic that this thing isn&#039;t about woodworking at all, but a personal issue.  Fine -- why is what Shannon doing bothering you at all?  You can just continue to create your pieces worth of the world-wide fame you so richly deserve, take only the very best on as apprentices, and someday your name will go down alongside the Phyfes and Maloofs and Stickleys (insert your favorite &quot;Master&quot; here.)

Shannon helps guys who are trying to relax from a tough day at work, not people who are aspiring to be like you, clearly the &quot;I Chi&quot; of woodworking.  To that end, no one at all can fault him.  I&#039;ve known him for many years, and frankly, unlike you, I think he&#039;s a great guy, an accomplished woodworker, and a clever businessman.

What I&#039;ve had to say is only to make myself feel better about your disparaging a friend of mine.  None of us who have responded to your post really needed to say a word, for there is no one in the world who would be dissuaded from signing up from Shannon&#039;s school directly because of your arrogant recommendation not to. 

I might point out as well that woodworking at any level ought not to be a religion.  Sorry you feel that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James</p>
<p>So, don&#8217;t sign up.</p>
<p>You are so obviously vitriolic that this thing isn&#8217;t about woodworking at all, but a personal issue.  Fine &#8212; why is what Shannon doing bothering you at all?  You can just continue to create your pieces worth of the world-wide fame you so richly deserve, take only the very best on as apprentices, and someday your name will go down alongside the Phyfes and Maloofs and Stickleys (insert your favorite &#8220;Master&#8221; here.)</p>
<p>Shannon helps guys who are trying to relax from a tough day at work, not people who are aspiring to be like you, clearly the &#8220;I Chi&#8221; of woodworking.  To that end, no one at all can fault him.  I&#8217;ve known him for many years, and frankly, unlike you, I think he&#8217;s a great guy, an accomplished woodworker, and a clever businessman.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;ve had to say is only to make myself feel better about your disparaging a friend of mine.  None of us who have responded to your post really needed to say a word, for there is no one in the world who would be dissuaded from signing up from Shannon&#8217;s school directly because of your arrogant recommendation not to. </p>
<p>I might point out as well that woodworking at any level ought not to be a religion.  Sorry you feel that way.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Renaissance Woodworker Hand Tool School by Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating discussion. In this age of electronic gadgetry I look at anything that could possibly empower or encourage people to get off the couch and into a workshop to physically create something is a positive thing. 

James, I see sites like Shannon&#039;s and Marc&#039;s as entry points into woodworking. The internet makes woodworking accessible to people who might not have tried it otherwise. Strange result of technology isn&#039;t it? 
Compared to any community college, weekend workshops, or week long outings in wonderful craft focused schools, their services are a bargain. Yes, there is no comparison to having your instructor over your shoulder advising you. But, there is a need for this modern and novel type of education. In the US, with deteriorating public school systems, we have limited exposure to woodworking beyond a few TV shows. But like someone else mentioned above, TV shows are difficult to learn from. People can actually learn and practice their skills alongside Marc and Shannon.

To me, they are not being disingenuous by charging money to see their content. It enables them to produce more content thus further encouraging more people to enter our wonderful world of woodworking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating discussion. In this age of electronic gadgetry I look at anything that could possibly empower or encourage people to get off the couch and into a workshop to physically create something is a positive thing. </p>
<p>James, I see sites like Shannon&#8217;s and Marc&#8217;s as entry points into woodworking. The internet makes woodworking accessible to people who might not have tried it otherwise. Strange result of technology isn&#8217;t it?<br />
Compared to any community college, weekend workshops, or week long outings in wonderful craft focused schools, their services are a bargain. Yes, there is no comparison to having your instructor over your shoulder advising you. But, there is a need for this modern and novel type of education. In the US, with deteriorating public school systems, we have limited exposure to woodworking beyond a few TV shows. But like someone else mentioned above, TV shows are difficult to learn from. People can actually learn and practice their skills alongside Marc and Shannon.</p>
<p>To me, they are not being disingenuous by charging money to see their content. It enables them to produce more content thus further encouraging more people to enter our wonderful world of woodworking.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Renaissance Woodworker Hand Tool School by Chuck Bender</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Bender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can attest to the fact that Shannon has jumped right in and supported &quot;competitors&quot; because, if you want to use that definition, I&#039;m one. Shannon and Marc are passing on to others what they have learned. So am I. I&#039;m sure both make mistakes in the process. So do I and I have 30+ years of experience. No one is perfect and no one has ALL the answers. Even Norm gave out his share of misinformation (though he seldom showed mistakes). Their bodies of experience differ from mine. Their solutions to problems may also differ and, let&#039;s face it, woodworking is merely an exercise in problem solving. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn&#039;t done it. 

Having had lots of REAL APPRENTICES over the years, I can tell you all people do not learn things in exactly the same fashion. Having alternative answers to questions is nearly always a good thing. This way people can learn and reach their goals in the way that makes the most sense to them. I spent a lot of years teaching multiple methods of work to a variety of apprentices. 

I guess if I was to follow my traditional training, I&#039;d join right in and tell you two upstarts to pack your bags and get out of town now. The one thing I&#039;ve discovered in the last few years of exposure to this end of the woodworking business (meaning not the furniture marketing and production end) is, as Marc says, it&#039;s about being positive. No one would benefit from them leaving the market while many certainly benefit from their presence. Read the other comments here and you&#039;ll discover that, if nothing else, they have inspired others to learn. To me, the story of the man and his 14yo tells it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can attest to the fact that Shannon has jumped right in and supported &#8220;competitors&#8221; because, if you want to use that definition, I&#8217;m one. Shannon and Marc are passing on to others what they have learned. So am I. I&#8217;m sure both make mistakes in the process. So do I and I have 30+ years of experience. No one is perfect and no one has ALL the answers. Even Norm gave out his share of misinformation (though he seldom showed mistakes). Their bodies of experience differ from mine. Their solutions to problems may also differ and, let&#8217;s face it, woodworking is merely an exercise in problem solving. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn&#8217;t done it. </p>
<p>Having had lots of REAL APPRENTICES over the years, I can tell you all people do not learn things in exactly the same fashion. Having alternative answers to questions is nearly always a good thing. This way people can learn and reach their goals in the way that makes the most sense to them. I spent a lot of years teaching multiple methods of work to a variety of apprentices. </p>
<p>I guess if I was to follow my traditional training, I&#8217;d join right in and tell you two upstarts to pack your bags and get out of town now. The one thing I&#8217;ve discovered in the last few years of exposure to this end of the woodworking business (meaning not the furniture marketing and production end) is, as Marc says, it&#8217;s about being positive. No one would benefit from them leaving the market while many certainly benefit from their presence. Read the other comments here and you&#8217;ll discover that, if nothing else, they have inspired others to learn. To me, the story of the man and his 14yo tells it all.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Renaissance Woodworker Hand Tool School by Shannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah and thank you to everyone for this amazing response here, on twitter, and facebook.  You guys are awesome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah and thank you to everyone for this amazing response here, on twitter, and facebook.  You guys are awesome!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Renaissance Woodworker Hand Tool School by Shannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK OK, stop the madness here guys!  I can see James&#039; point.  I do not have 30+ years of experience.  From the digging I have done to find out who this James person is, I can see that he is a professional woodworker and even listed as a woodworking teacher in the UK.  I didn&#039;t spend much time looking at his body of work, but he obviously speaks from some point of experience.  James, my wish is that you would share your knowledge.  Since Marc started his Guild, there have been several others to enter the online woodworking school market, myself included.  One thing you will notice is that I am usually the first person to be a cheerleader for those &quot;competitors&quot;.  Our world has changed and unfortunately the traditional apprentice system is dead.  The technology at our finger tips is astounding.  I spent the last 2 weeks in one on one consultations with Hand Tool School members (I have always called them &quot;members&quot; instead of &quot;students&quot; to try to kill the teacher/student dynamic and foster the peer relationship).  To be able to talk to someone in real time across a gulf of thousands of miles in their own shop and help them improve sawing technique is a powerful thing!  So please, take the leap and share your knowledge.  And please create a valuable product and charge for it.  There is not reason why you should have to do it for free.  You never know I might be one of your students if for no other reason than to support online woodworking instruction.  In other words, let&#039;s work together.

BTW, thanks again for the nice review Larry.  Sorry to hijack your sever bandwidth with all this banter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK OK, stop the madness here guys!  I can see James&#8217; point.  I do not have 30+ years of experience.  From the digging I have done to find out who this James person is, I can see that he is a professional woodworker and even listed as a woodworking teacher in the UK.  I didn&#8217;t spend much time looking at his body of work, but he obviously speaks from some point of experience.  James, my wish is that you would share your knowledge.  Since Marc started his Guild, there have been several others to enter the online woodworking school market, myself included.  One thing you will notice is that I am usually the first person to be a cheerleader for those &#8220;competitors&#8221;.  Our world has changed and unfortunately the traditional apprentice system is dead.  The technology at our finger tips is astounding.  I spent the last 2 weeks in one on one consultations with Hand Tool School members (I have always called them &#8220;members&#8221; instead of &#8220;students&#8221; to try to kill the teacher/student dynamic and foster the peer relationship).  To be able to talk to someone in real time across a gulf of thousands of miles in their own shop and help them improve sawing technique is a powerful thing!  So please, take the leap and share your knowledge.  And please create a valuable product and charge for it.  There is not reason why you should have to do it for free.  You never know I might be one of your students if for no other reason than to support online woodworking instruction.  In other words, let&#8217;s work together.</p>
<p>BTW, thanks again for the nice review Larry.  Sorry to hijack your sever bandwidth with all this banter.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Renaissance Woodworker Hand Tool School by Dave Barrera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Barrera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James

As Tom mentioned above, no one has forced me or anyone to sign up. Now I&#039;m speaking from personal experience here, since I am a HTS member and first off, I have to say that Shannon has impacted my woodworking knowledge and growth in the craft more than anyone. I&#039;m a hobbyist woodworker. This isn&#039;t what pays the bills, and I don&#039;t have the time or money to take a class. If it weren&#039;t for these online programs, I wouldn&#039;t be involved in the craft today. I am without a doubt a better overall woodworker (not just Hand Tool user) because of the Hand Tool School. In fact because of it, I have to say that I&#039;m much more enthusiastic about the craft. From what I understand, the craft is not experiencing the growth it once did and could even be in decline. If we pinned our hopes solely on all woodworkers learning from so called &quot;masters&quot;, how is the craft supposed to grow? 

Because I have some personal knowledge on the subject, though in a different field entirely, I recognize that Shannon is a &quot;teacher&quot; vs. just an &quot;instructor&quot;. An instructor is someone who puts forth knowledge in a coherent manner, but doesn&#039;t necessarily know or care if the person is understanding the information and can put it into practice. A &quot;teacher&quot; in the purest sense is someone who not only instructs, but ensures that their students have a true understanding of what they&#039;re learning and goes above and beyond. If you were a member of the HTS you would know that Shannon falls into the &quot;teacher&quot; category. I couldn&#039;t care less whether someone has dubbed him &quot;master&quot; or not. I, and I&#039;m guessing many others, learn a great deal from him.  At the end of the day, that&#039;s all I care about. I&#039;m a better woodworker, I&#039;m continuing in the craft, and undoubtedly I will share what I&#039;ve learned with future generations of woodworkers and perpetuate the future of this craft. What have you done for the craft that allows you to pontificate about Shannon and the Hand Tool School?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James</p>
<p>As Tom mentioned above, no one has forced me or anyone to sign up. Now I&#8217;m speaking from personal experience here, since I am a HTS member and first off, I have to say that Shannon has impacted my woodworking knowledge and growth in the craft more than anyone. I&#8217;m a hobbyist woodworker. This isn&#8217;t what pays the bills, and I don&#8217;t have the time or money to take a class. If it weren&#8217;t for these online programs, I wouldn&#8217;t be involved in the craft today. I am without a doubt a better overall woodworker (not just Hand Tool user) because of the Hand Tool School. In fact because of it, I have to say that I&#8217;m much more enthusiastic about the craft. From what I understand, the craft is not experiencing the growth it once did and could even be in decline. If we pinned our hopes solely on all woodworkers learning from so called &#8220;masters&#8221;, how is the craft supposed to grow? </p>
<p>Because I have some personal knowledge on the subject, though in a different field entirely, I recognize that Shannon is a &#8220;teacher&#8221; vs. just an &#8220;instructor&#8221;. An instructor is someone who puts forth knowledge in a coherent manner, but doesn&#8217;t necessarily know or care if the person is understanding the information and can put it into practice. A &#8220;teacher&#8221; in the purest sense is someone who not only instructs, but ensures that their students have a true understanding of what they&#8217;re learning and goes above and beyond. If you were a member of the HTS you would know that Shannon falls into the &#8220;teacher&#8221; category. I couldn&#8217;t care less whether someone has dubbed him &#8220;master&#8221; or not. I, and I&#8217;m guessing many others, learn a great deal from him.  At the end of the day, that&#8217;s all I care about. I&#8217;m a better woodworker, I&#8217;m continuing in the craft, and undoubtedly I will share what I&#8217;ve learned with future generations of woodworkers and perpetuate the future of this craft. What have you done for the craft that allows you to pontificate about Shannon and the Hand Tool School?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Renaissance Woodworker Hand Tool School by Tom Iovino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Iovino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, man, ain&#039;t no thing as bad publicity!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Renaissance Woodworker Hand Tool School by Wilbur Pan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wilbur Pan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If someone who is an amateur has no business trying to teach others and should focus on mastering the basics instead, then in the same vein, someone who writes an essay intending to convey their thoughts on why such a person should be criticized should have mastered the basics of capitalization and grammar, and should be able to spell the name of the person who is the subject of their essay correctly as well, otherwise the essay really isn&#039;t worthy of serious consideration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If someone who is an amateur has no business trying to teach others and should focus on mastering the basics instead, then in the same vein, someone who writes an essay intending to convey their thoughts on why such a person should be criticized should have mastered the basics of capitalization and grammar, and should be able to spell the name of the person who is the subject of their essay correctly as well, otherwise the essay really isn&#8217;t worthy of serious consideration.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Renaissance Woodworker Hand Tool School by Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also have to join in and voice my support for Shannon.  I signed up for the HTS a little over a year ago and have learned a great deal in that short time.  The best part about it for me is that I can work at my own pace.  I currently juggle my time between a busy work schedule, time with two young kids, a honey-do list that grows each week and when possible I still find time to learn something new in the world of woodworking.  As much as I would like to work alongside a &quot;master&quot; and learn all that I can from him/her it simply is not possible, but I can increase my skills and knowledge each time I log on to HTS.  I for one am happy that I stumbled upon the HTS and Shannon and want to thank him for his generosity in sharing his time and knowledge with me and so many others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also have to join in and voice my support for Shannon.  I signed up for the HTS a little over a year ago and have learned a great deal in that short time.  The best part about it for me is that I can work at my own pace.  I currently juggle my time between a busy work schedule, time with two young kids, a honey-do list that grows each week and when possible I still find time to learn something new in the world of woodworking.  As much as I would like to work alongside a &#8220;master&#8221; and learn all that I can from him/her it simply is not possible, but I can increase my skills and knowledge each time I log on to HTS.  I for one am happy that I stumbled upon the HTS and Shannon and want to thank him for his generosity in sharing his time and knowledge with me and so many others.</p>
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